Talk:Cheshire Cat (Blink-182 album)

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Producer

@ the infobox, the producer of the album is given as "O". But @ the article an anonymus user changed this to "Oanal".

I dunno if this was vandalism or not, but it's likely that one of these "names" are incorrect. --Adolar von Csobánka (Talk) 17:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it was probably vandalism, because if you look at the thank-yous on the album, it says "and our unending thanks to "O" (pronounced "ohhh") Oanal was probably a stab at him--- Aaron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.182.31 (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

i think blink 182's first album showed alot of melodic and posi hardcore so it should be included as a genre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.108.147.195 (talk) 05:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I do not agree...nothing blink did was hardcore.Fantasy Dragon (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

add pop punk to the album genre in place of skater punk http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=314623 Realpunkmusic (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a reliable source. Binksternet (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

here you go http://modern-vinyl.com/2012/04/03/review-blink-182-cheshire-cat/ this album is clearly pop punk and in some songs punk rock Realpunkmusic (talk) 00:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if that's a reliable source either. Either way, this doesn't justify the removal of skate punk either, since that genre is also cited the article. Although, I'll go ahead and search for another source for pop punk, and then add it if I find it, because it does seem that all of Blink-182's albums have been called pop punk at one time or another. Kokoro20 (talk) 06:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've found another source for pop punk, and the genre has now been added. Kokoro20 (talk) 11:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested page move

Please delete the redirect at "Cheshire Cat (blink-182 album)" and move this title to that location. All wp:rs and all album covers show the ensemble name with a small "b".[1] Thank you. - My76Strat (talk) 06:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I canceled the adminhelp request because I see it may be better to use the request page move template instead. My76Strat (talk) 07:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2/17/94 vs. 2/17/95

The release dates for the band's earliest material have been a debate of fans for years and a source of confusion. 2/17/94 for many years has been the "accepted" release date for Cheshire Cat, but this is incorrect. I believe Cheshire Cat was issued by Cargo on the same date a year later.

Buddha, the band's demo tape that preceded Cheshire Cat and was later re-released by Kung-Fu in 1998, is largely to blame for the inconsistencies in release dates. In the reissue's liner notes, it erroneously claims Buddha was released in 1995, "just six months after the band formed." The band was formed in 1992, of course, and the original cassette tape for Buddha, released on Filter Records, claims it was recorded in January 1994. I am more inclined to believe the original release rather than the very obviously incorrect reissue, which, among other things, deletes tracks and has 'revisionist' written all over it (not to mention the controversy regarding royalties I've detailed in the article).

If a January 1994 recording date for Buddha is to be believed, then how was the band signed to Cargo and releasing a full length only a matter of weeks later? Simple: Cheshire Cat was not released on 2/17/94, but rather, the same date one year later. The band's split single, Short Bus, claims it was recorded in the summer of 1994 (it is my belief that songs recorded during this session but left unreleased, such as "The Girl Next Door", were later placed on the reissue of Buddha). Short Bus contains early versions of songs present on Cheshire Cat. It is my belief that the band signed to Cargo shortly thereafter, possibly in the fall of 1994, when they recorded Cheshire Cat, which was later issued on 2/17/95. Posts on the newsgroup alt.punk from the band's "Internet ambassador", Davey Quinn of the band Tiltwheel, claim in three separate threads that the album saw release on 2/17/95. I've cited these threads in the article.

The timeline, then, is thus: band signs to Cargo (possibly summer/late 1994), Cheshire Cat is released (2/17/95), the band records music video for "M+M's" (July 1995, as seen on the clapperboard in the video), the band changes their name (August 1995, as seen on the name change documents available online), and the band goes on tour with Pennywise (Oct. 1995). The only thing that is a pain to my theory is that most releases of Cheshire Cat contain a 1994 copyright (although one early cassette release reads (C) 1995) and, of course, the number of times 2/17/94 has been claimed in articles/reviews/books.

My reason for this post is to explain my logic in changing the release date to 1995 on all Blink-182-related Wikipedia articles. I have sources in this article that back up my theory. This is, of course, open to debate, however, which is why I've created this post. Saginaw-hitchhiker (talk) 18:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In this interview the interviewer says it was released in 1994 and the band (blink-182) doesn't corrects him as 1995, implying that indeed was released in 1994? --59.22.88.119 (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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