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Published clan manuscripts

The following is a list of clan manuscript histories that were mostly written no later than the 18th century, all of which have since been published and most of which are available online. These can be used as sources. Clan histories written in the 19th and 20th century are in a separate list.

Clan	Manuscript	Author of manuscript	Dates of manuscript	Source publication	Date of source	Author of source (if different)
Clan Sutherland	A Genealogical History of the Earldom of Sutherland	Sir Robert Gordon, 1st Baronet	1630	A Genealogical History of the Earldom of Sutherland	1813
Clan Munro	Chronological and Genealogical Account of the Ancient and Honorable Family of the Fowlis	Andrew Munro of Coul	1717	Chronological and Genealogical Account of the Ancient and Honorable Family of the Fowlis (not online)	1805	John Young
Clan Munro	Calendar of Writs of Munro of Foulis, 1299-1823	Various	1299-1823	Calendar of Writs of Munro of Foulis, 1299-1823 (not online)	1949	C. T. McInnes
Clan Mackenzie	History of the Family of Mackenzie	George Mackenzie, 1st Earl of Cromartie	1669	The Earls of Cromartie; their kindred, country, and correspondence	1876	William Fraser
Clan Mackenzie	MS History of the Mackenzies	John Mackenzie of Applecross	1669	Highland Papers (Vol. 1)	1914	James Robertson Nicolson MacPhail
Clan Donald	History of the MacDonalds	Hugh MacDonald	1660-1685	Highland Papers (Vol. 1)	1914	James Robertson Nicolson MacPhail
Clan Ross	The Calendar of Fearn	Various	1471-1667	The Calendar of Fearn	1991	J. Adam
Clan Fraser of Lovat	Wardlaw Manuscript	James Fraser of Wardlaw	1674	Chronicles of the Frasers: the Wardlaw manuscript entitled 'Polichronicon seu policratica temporum, or, The true genealogy of the Frasers', 916-1674	1905	William Mackay
Clan Mackintosh	Kinrara Manuscript	Lachlan Mackintosh of Kinrara	1680	A Chronicle of the Family of Mackintosh to 1680 (not online)	2009	Dr Jean Munro
Clan Cameron	Memoirs of Sir Ewen Cameron of Lochiel	Ewen Cameron of Lochiel	1629-1719	Memoirs of Sir Ewen Cameron of Locheill (Author's introduction includes full clan history)	1842	John Drummond, James Macknight
Clan Calder and Clan Campbell of Cawdor	The Book of the Thanes of Cawdor: A Series of Papers Selected from the Charter Room at Cawdor	Various	1236-1742	The Book of the Thanes of Cawdor: A Series of Papers Selected from the Charter Room at Cawdor	1859	Frederick Campbell, 3rd Earl Cawdor, Cosmo Innes

19th and 20th century published clan histories available online

Clan	Author	Book	Year
Clan Donald	Alexander Mackenzie	History of the Macdonalds and Lords of the Isles; with genealogies of the principal families of the name	1881
Clan Cameron	Alexander Mackenzie	History of the Camerons, with genealogies of the principal families of the name	1884
Clan Mackenzie	Alexander Mackenzie	History of the Mackenzies: With Genealogies of the Principal Families of the Name	1894
Clan Chisholm	Alexander Mackenzie	History of the Chisholms : with genealogies of the principal families of the name	1891
Clan Fraser of Lovat	Alexander Mackenzie	History of the Frasers of Lovat, with genealogies of the principal families of the name: to which is added those of Dunballoch and Phopachy	1896
Clan Munro	Alexander Mackenzie	History of the Munros of Fowlis with genealogies of the principal families of the name: to which are added those of Lexington and New England	1898
Clan Mackintosh and Clan Chattan	Alexander Mackintosh-Shaw	Historical memoirs of the house and clan of Mackintosh and of the clan Chattan	1880
Clan Chattan	Charles Fraser-Mackintosh	An account of the confederation of Clan Chattan: its kith and kin	1898
Clan Mackay	Angus Mackay	The Book of Mackay	1906
Clan Mackay	Robert Mackay	History of the house and clan of Mackay	1832
Clan Cameron	John Drummond, James Macknight	Memoirs of Sir Ewen Cameron of Locheill (Author's introduction includes full clan history)	1842
Clan Stewart	Henry James Lee	History of the Stewart or Stuart family	1920
Clan Campbell	Henry James Lee	History of the Campbell Family	1920
Clan Boyd	William P. Boyd	History of the Boyd family and descendants	1912
Clan Sinclair	John W.S Henderson	Caithness Family History	1884

References

ScotClans a reliable source?

Hi all, is www.scotclans.com considered a reliable source? More specifically the historical clan information pages like https://www.scotclans.com/blogs/clans-c/clan-cathcart-places-people. Thanks. Kj cheetham (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Replying to myself, I also posted this to WP:RSN and the conclusion seems to be no, it's a blog. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tartan#Clan tartans

I've just overhauled the Tartans article to finally have (again?) a coherent section on the history of clan tartans and their adoption (and redirects like Clan tartan and Scottish clan tartans go there). I also fixed up a bunch of other deficiencies in the article over the last few days but am not done yet. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposals

Discussion is >>>HERE<<<. GenQuest ^"scribble" 02:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~and~

Received a request to merge the List of tartans#Scottish clan tartans section into the List of Scottish clans article on 23 June 2023 (UTC). Reason: Because the latter will list all clans and their tartans, the list of clan tartans in the former article is necessarily redundant, so this is at least a WP:CONTENTFORK. I think it borders on a WP:POVFORK, because the former article is over-relying on a fraudulent Victorian source, the Vestiarium Scoticum, and thereby promoting tartans that many clans have since rejected. Anyway, it's completely normal for huge-scope lists to branch out to narrower-topic sublists like this, and List of tartans is already doing that in several cases; this would just be another one. — SMcCandlish. Discuss it >>>HERE<<<. GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Clan Watson

I notice this article on Draft:Clan Watson, I think the editor who started this is doing a great job, considering Clan Watson is a miner Armigerous clan. But I was surprised to see two senior editors who are denying the article on the grounds that it dose not meet various criteria. I disagree with their observations, compared to some clan articles - Clan Watson is more than adequate in my view. Things have obviously changed since I last edited clan articles; but this new draconian clamp on stub like articles could discourage more Scottish Clan editors. I drew an svg of the shield but I do not know anything on the Watson's history; perhaps other editors could check to see if they have a ref or two with information to help the article. Yours ever, Czar Brodie~commonswiki (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Expert needed

I've tagged Clan Robertson with {{expert needed}} because of a disputed source about the "historical seat" of the clan. Mainly, my goal is to get the article correctly (without error) and properly (WP:V, WP:RS) referenced. But I'm not familiar with Scottish clans and could use some help. Please see the messages on the Talk page for more context. Thanks! -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tartan length problem

I'm not at all involved with this topic or project but it caught my eye that Tartan is *way* too long. I'm talking top 5 longest non list articles on Wikipedia. I think you could do some splitting between clan tartans, History of tartans, and Tartan design. BoxOfTurtles (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]