Talk:Tjenenyet

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I think this article needs more information. Can anybody find something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Megaraptor12345 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Proposing merge with the article Tenenet. The same subject. Duplicate articles. --Vachovec1 (talk) 00:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vachovec1 Sure I think this is a clear cut case of duplicate article. Merge !Iry-Hor (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've merged these pages. Tenenet was the better-sourced article, but Tjenenyet seems to be the more accurate spelling, so I've replaced this article's content with the content from that article. A. Parrot (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beer

Both the articles that I just merged have long assumed that Tjenenyet, who is undoubtedly Montu's consort, is a goddess of beer, but I found reason to question that. Betwen them, the two articles had three sources for the claim, but none of them seem to have Egyptological qualifications. One was Living in Ancient Egypt by Norman Bancroft-Hunt, who, according to his biography on Goodreads, is a knowledgeable writer of popular history books but not an Egyptologist. Another was a page at Ancient Egypt Online, a website that seems to have been run by knowledgeable amateurs, archived here. A third is here; I know nothing about the authors of this site.

Two Egyptological sources I dug up in my library refer to the goddess of beer. Gods, Rites, Rituals and Religion of Ancient Egypt by Lucia Gahlin says, on page 229, "The presiding deities of beer were the goddesses Menqet and Tenemyt, whose names probably derived from the terms for a type of beer jar and beer, respectively." The Gods of Egypt by Claude Traunecker similarly mentions "Menket and Tenmet, goddesses who brewed beer" on page 67. Notably, Traunecker refers elsewhere (p. 47) to the consort of Montu, but he spells her name "Tjenenet". Moreover, according to Egyptological dictionaries, the word tnmw or tnm means "beer", while the name of the goddess from Armant is ṯnnt.

Therefore, I believe that Tjenenyet and Tenemyt are separate goddesses, but they're often conflated in popular sources because they're both very minor goddesses and their names look similar in our alphabet. A. Parrot (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just stumbled across this page 4 years late so forgive me for dredging it up again. I think you are entirely correct in your assessment. I checked out the sources you mentioned and Wilkinson's Complete Gods and Goddesses. He mentions Tjenenyet as consort to Montu on p.168 but with no mention of beer (or childbirth but I don't doubt that attribute). He mentions Tenemit in passing as the goddess of beer on p.174. So yeah, two goddesses with similar (translit) names getting mixed up together.

To untangle them I will remove the mentions of beer on this page which have been added back in, remove the "alcohol goddesses" and "deities of wine and beer" categories, and change Tenenet/Tjenenyet to Tenemit/Tenemyt on the List of deities of wine and beer. I don't have enough info on Tenemit to give her her own page at this stage : ( Merytat3n (talk) 01:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]