Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs with the name of a musical act in their title

Songs with the name of a group in the title was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was PAGE ALTERED significantly to make the vote invalid

Not an encyclopedic topic. It uses the very broad term "group", which would make this list very big and unusable. Also, it will never be completed and would only have a majority of non-notable songs.

• Delete. At first i read it as "songs with the name of the group in the title", that would have been a keeper. But this list will just get out of hand. bbx 02:04, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Out of curiosity, is there a group named just "Love"? 'Cause, man... this would become a lo-o-o-ong article, right here. Ian Pugh 02:32, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • This article just got longer... Love (band) rules (and are actually quite notable, if not very famous) Tuf-Kat 02:35, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)
    • Just to be more explicit, delete. Tuf-Kat 14:47, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. --Conti|✉ 05:30, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Lists are sometimes encyclopedic, but this is not an example of that. --Improv 16:44, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• If it was bands with thier own name in a title i coudld see it, but this doesn't help anybody. —siroχo 23:59, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. At first I thought that this would be a sensible list, but this...this is absurd. Ambi 11:05, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Keep Ambi....Absurd you say?..how dare you! ;)

Seriously, I thought it was quite an original idea, but obviously it's not appreciated. It's unfinished of course but I have a lot more ideas to fill in the spaces. You can never please everyone can you?

Siroxo.. I think you should learn to spell correctly before criticizing other people's work. BladeSteve

• Keep. Actually, if this were pruned to reflect only songs in which the name of a band were specifically and intentionally referenced this would be a useful article, although much shorter. e.g. "There's a Guy Works Down the Chip Shop Swears he's Elvis" Sjc 09:01, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

*Keep. This list CRUCIALLY augments and adds value to a current list: List of songs containing overt reference to real musicians. Stephen O 09:07, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)Now that I look at it closely. This list isn't what I thought it was before. Stephen O 02:02, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It would, if these songs actually referred to musicians. But not a single one of the "groups" listed is actually a reference to a musical group, rather just a generic word that just happen to be the name of a group. Yes, if Abba were singing about Freddy Mercury's band, that would be mildly interesting, but they weren't. Really, do you want to a hundred songs with the word "Yes" or "Them" in the title? It's a crappy list, and it will only get crappier. Delete. -- Paul Richter 09:34, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Comment: I agree. Restricting it to "actual references" would only make it a subset of the "overt references". Looking at the "overt references" list, I can see a lot of songs that include "actual references" to musicians in the titles. Either keep this and duplicate information from the "overt references" list - or - delete and let the user pick out the songs from the "overt references" list. Abstain. Kuj 06:31, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Unless some blanket decision is made to delete all List of songs pages, this page should be kept, as it has great worth. The title should begin with "List of", but this mistake is probably due to the creator of the page being inexperienced and can be corrected.
  As for the "is there a group named just 'Love'" issue, why not qualify the page by only including explicit references to the bands? i.e. Ignore all instances where a word is reused by coincidence. Example: You could include Weezer - Buddy Holly, but not Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart.
  Also, there is room for a List of musical acts who take their name from songs page, The Ordinary Boys named themselves after a Morrissey song.
  SimonMayer 23:23, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Delete in its current form, as it would have a million entries, although it would be fine if it were restricted to just deliberate references, as people have suggested. I'll start adding a few to the page. sjorford 15:32, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • More info: out of 172 songs on List of songs containing overt reference to real musicians, 55 have a musician in the title. sjorford 16:08, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Recommendation: Please consider that this page has radically been altered since it was originally placed on VfD. It no longer allows for coincidental references to musical groups, so it should not get too long. It is significantly shorted, but there are plenty more songs to be added.
  SimonMayer 18:42, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Keep The list has now expanded to around 50 songs and growing all the time including some obscure but welcome contributions. BladeSteve

Comment: This is this user's second vote JibJub 02:20, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Another comment:Well spotted, I suppose I'll receive a yellow card for my sins. BladeSteve

Not really. The admin who tallies the votes will be alerted of the anomaly. JibJub 02:20, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• I still vote to keep, but I refuse to support some of the songs that BladeSteve has included. They are futile - a waste of Wikipedia's resources, in my opinion.
  SimonMayer 00:17, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Delete if the article is going to contain coincidental references (how about the band The The? You'll end up with almost every song ever written). Keep if it is narrowed to include deliberate references only. Incidentally, I would draw your attention to User:BladeSteve's serious breach of etiquette regarding this on Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance).Graham 05:32, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Agreed with this keep/delete choice - may I remind you of the band "A"? How many songs are they in the title of? violet/riga (t) 08:30, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• I must, regretably, vote delete. As much as I personally enjoy lists of anything, this one is not encyclopedic. I also think there's already a list of songs that contain the name of the band performing them... [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 15:50, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

*Delete the list and start over with a good list. Do encyclopedia articles have instructions in them on how they are to be written? Are there any songs that do NOT have names of bands or musical performers in the title? I'm thinking there are very few. Is this meant to be a list of all the songs that have titles containing words? And not just because this BladeSteve person rubs me exactly the wrong way. (As far as I'm concerned he's used up too much of my limited tolerance for rudeness already, on the Village Pump page no less, and also blatantly and unconcernedly and knowingly violated policy by removing the VfD notice, and by voting twice, and uploading images with no source information, and not providing info when asked, etc... and the name of the article itself doesn't work for me at all... this is actually a "List of bands mentioned in songs" and not a list of songs mentioning bands.) I know some people have added good material to the page -- and if it's of value, it has a home somewhere but I think good information deserves a better setting than this --- it isn't of any use in my opinion, to list Songs with the name of a group in the title any more than: Songs with names of girlfriends in the lyrics; Songs with names of cars in the title; Songs originally written on bar napkins; Songs with City names in them or other silliness... and if the article is going to be a list, it should have the word "List" as the first word. I think in this case, it's better to get a fresh start with a good title before so much is added to this article that it's an effort to fix it. I don't have a problem with lists in general as long as they are good lists with good titles and good content, that someone might want.Pedant 11:01, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC) ((realised some of the above comments are irrelevant to the deletion issue) several of the above red-linked articles might be quite worthy. I think I might value a more specifically targeted list such as List of songs whose referring to specific types of cars or List of songs first written on scratch paper or even List of documents known to have been first written on scratch paper I'm also withdrawing my vote, as it may be motivated by a sense of annoyance at the overall behavior of user BladeSteve.Pedant 19:30, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

• Let's call it a day and delete the whole thing.

I don't like the article as it now stands , as a lot of my good ideas have now been removed. I've now made a decision to just make worthwhile contributions to acceptable existing articles [for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_cover_versions]

If I have "rubbed anyone up the wrong way" [Simon and Graham in particular, also a special mention to Pedant] regarding this particular disastrous episode, I apologise, as that was not the original intention... [Life's too short and all that] BladeSteve

Fair enough. I think since Steve has only been here a week or two, we should cut him some slack, and chalk it up to newbieitis. I would still prefer to see the article in another form, or deleted though. The principle of consensus is more important than the details of a particular article. Graham 04:05, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Agreed, newbieitis, I wish you a happy future on Wikipedia, Steve and I'll put this all behind me.
SimonMayer 18:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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