Talk:Confocal laser scanning microscopy

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Explained the image formation and the resolution enhancement as good as I understood it. However, I could not find the explanation of the resolution enhancement in the literature, i.e. I did not verify its correctness by consulting a specialist on this topic. I drew the figure of the confocal principle with Xfig.

To my knowledge, the enhancement of lateral resolution in CLSM is due to :

Coherence of the laser light
Small size of the illuminated field (point scanning)

see : "foundations of confocal scanned imaging in light microscopy" by Shinya Inoue in "Handbook of biological confocal microscopy" JB Pawley.

It is wrong that "the effective volume of light generation is usually smaller than the volume of illumination" both are diffraction limited, the volume of light generation might be a bit bigger because of the longer wavelength of the emission, but basically they are the same. The only increase in resolution comes from the fact that you have to multiply the illumination and collection efficiency to get the signal intensity and because of this you get a factor of squareroot two better resolution. The main effect is the out of focus fluorescence which in the case of non confocal fluorescence microscopy can flood your signal totally so that you have in fact very very poor resolution. Grmf 09:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Title

This article should probably be retitled to "confocal microscopy" and some text about non-laser confocal microscopy added (the above book is a good reference). For instance, confocal microscopes are still being made today that use a mercury lamp instead of a laser. These are mainly spinning-disk confocal microscopes (also need to be covered in this article), although some models of spinning-disk confocal microscope (at least one recent model made by Perkin-Elmer) do use a laser.

Schematic representation

A very good article!

There are, nevertheless, some things wrong with the schematic representation of the Confocal Microscope.

there should not be a reflector
the red lines should go no further than where they meet inside the sample
the blue lines should originate in that point and be the same as the red lines (although in opposite direction) till they hit the mirror
the aperture for the blue lines should (in the case as presented) be located higher, cutting of a part of the area between the blue lines, reducing it to where the red lines would have been if they where reflected in the mirror

Or, to sum it all up in other words: the reason that confocal microscopes generate sharp images is the fact that it uses information from the confocal plane and the confocal plane only - but in the picture used, the image would be blurred because it contains a lot of noise: the out-of-focus blue area is larger than the focussed red one.

These remarks only affect the picture, not the explanation in the article. The explanation is fine.

For an example, see Leica Micro-systems (producers of confocal microscopes) - in this image the yellow area is the complete area inside the red and blue lines.

Done. danh 16:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The image is still incorrect, it is usually the laser light (one or several lines of different wavelength) which is reflected by the beam splitter and the fluorescence light passes through. At least all dichroic mirrors for fluorescnece microscopes work this way. Furthermore if the color for the beams should be an indication of the wavelength it has to be the other way round, the laser excitation is with short wavelength e.g. blue and the emission with longer wavelength green or red, this is how fluorescence works. A good shematics should show how the out of focus light does not pass the pinhole. Look at the pages from Olympus, Nikon ect. which all have much better information than in this wikipedia article. Grmf 09:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image is incorrect for a scanning laser. When the laser moves the spot horizontally on the sample, the pinhole must also undergo a corresponding horizontal movement (virtual or real). The diagram is for an older version where the sample substrate itself does the scanning. (That way the illumination beam and pinhole could remain fixed.) There many versions of the scanning variety, but scanning of the laser beam and pinhole optics must synchronize. The best illustration I have found is in Patent Application publication US 2009/0231692 A1 (Yoshida et. al.). [[User:Jlslumia|]. Items 5 and 9 in the first figure of the application shows synchronous scans of the laser beam and return beam through the pinhole (itself fixed in this case).Jlslumia 21:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Phonograph?

Maybe it's just me, but I would never confuse the CLSM with a phonograph album, as linked in the article. Perhaps something else was intended?

I think the point that the author was trying to make was that a phonograph works on a similar principle to AFM i.e. involves a stylus scanning a surface, though I could be mistaken.

Agreed. I re-worded the sentence and removed the phonograph link (which, in this case, should be reached via the AFM page if necessary. MarcoTolo 17:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An AFM does not work like a phonograph, this is a misconception which is even presented at scientific conferences, a stylus profiler comes close to a phonograph, but in an AFM you have a piezo which moves the tip ap and down and a feedback loop which controls this movement, this is much different from a phonograph! Grmf 09:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations?

I really miss citations in this arcticle! I think this is a prerequisite for a reputable article. Seth2007 13:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

free 3D reconstruction?

It'd be great someone reading this would donate to the public a still from a 3D reconstruction, or can someone troll through the PLoS articles and find a nice one? I'll look there a little, myself. That's one of the great beauties of the technology, and it'd be cool to show it off. — eitc h 16:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

fluorescence is NOT required

"Because CLSM depends on fluorescence,"... While it is true that CLSM is mainly used for fluorescence imaging, it's also routinely used for surface profiling of non-fluorescent targets. This is a very common misconception among CLSM techs who work in biology (they give you weird looks when you tell them to switch out the filter), but the only thing that's really required is some type of scattering. The main reason you don't see it much is that AFM usually gets better resolution, but for some applications CLSM is easier to use if you don't need nanoscale resolution (especially for highly rough surfaces that can be hard on AFMs). I've personally done it on many occasions and it can work quite well on some surfaces. I also agree with the comment that laser sources are not necessary either, and many commercial C"L"SMs can go from lasers to mercury lamps with the flip of a switch. See for example P. Sandoz, G. Tribillon, T. Gharbi, and R. Devillers, "Roughness measurement by confocal microscopy for brightness characterization and surface waviness visibility evaluation," Wear 201 (1996) 186-192. See also http://depts.washington.edu/keck/intro.htm Tarchon (talk) 19:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About the drawing.

Also to my knowledge the majority of companies currently making confocals use a main beamsplitter which reflects the excitation beam and passes the emission beam, so the "in" and "out" in the drawing are reversed. 98.113.95.242 (talk) 03:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LSM

Hello Everyone, Just my thoughts here. In my part of the industry everyone calls them either "LSM"s or "Confocals". I have only rearly heard the term "CLSM", and never "LSCM". CMSINNOV (talk) 05:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]