Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inbal nitzan
Delete - This article isn't encyclopedia worthy. The subject isn't notable, something evinced by the article where it casts doubt over whether she will ever achieve even national fame. 163.1.159.21 16:15, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. I found the article interesting, and I imagine other readers would too. She's in a field in which fame is unlikely; should street artists be excluded altogether for that reason? She's considerably more notable (known to many more people) as well as more interesting than the average person (including the average Wikipedia editor). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:31, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete - Not notable. There are many interesting things that aren't encyclopedic. If she achieved fame in a field in which it was difficult to attain then she would be notable, but by the article's own admittance, she hasn't. Street artists (as a class) shouldn't be excluded because their field is one in which fame is rarely achieved, but they (as individuals) shouldn't be included unless they are famous. There are many people who are more notable "than the average person", but this alone isn't sufficient to have a biographical article in an encyclopedia. Treborbassett 17:19, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I know that the usual response is that Wikipedia isn't consistent, and so my objection is irrelevant, but I disagree. Wikipedia is stuffed full of articles on tiny U.S. villages, on characters from computer games and children's stories, on obscure television programmes, etc. These are hardly ever challenged, yet articles on people are the constant target of this sort of non-notability objection. I hold that a person who's achieved something, as this person has, is more important than, say, Tavion, or any of the thousands of similar subjects of unchallenged articles. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:29, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I see your point - I really do (I will qualify this though!). I'm not the biggest fan of articles on minuscule American hamlets or on characters from obscure video games. I don't think any sort of 'inconsistency' argument works either - an inconsistent encyclopedia is surely flawed! However, I'm afraid I still disagree with you on this particular article. Indeed, I'm not entirely sure what your stance is. Are you of the view that since there are 'lesser' unchallenged articles, this article should be left intact? Or do you think that these 'lesser' articles (by which, of course, I mean Tavion, etc.!) should be deleted (a stance that surely weakens your above objection)? Anyway (and I apologise for being rather roundabout on this) I simply can't see how this subject deserves the attention of an encyclopedia. Whereas US villages might be looked up in an atlas by someone in France or Tavion might be watched by on screen by someone in Nigeria, I can't see how anyone outside Tel Aviv could even come into contact with this subject. On a global scale, her achievements don't amount to anything. I understand you may well want some clarification on this!Treborbassett 01:07, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- P.S. Mel Etitis - I have posted a delete section on the Wikipedia votes for deletion page (see the article for a direct link I think). I have noticed there is now discussion on this article there and I suggest we continue future debate there and, with your permission, I should like to transfer the discussion here to that location (I took the liberty of pasting your original post on this page there - I hope that is ok!). Treborbassett 01:19, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I know that the usual response is that Wikipedia isn't consistent, and so my objection is irrelevant, but I disagree. Wikipedia is stuffed full of articles on tiny U.S. villages, on characters from computer games and children's stories, on obscure television programmes, etc. These are hardly ever challenged, yet articles on people are the constant target of this sort of non-notability objection. I hold that a person who's achieved something, as this person has, is more important than, say, Tavion, or any of the thousands of similar subjects of unchallenged articles. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:29, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)