Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space Shuttle Phoenix
About supposed replacement to Space Shuttle Columbia. Evil Monkey → Talk 07:24, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Comment:Isn't this the name of the replacement? I'm sure I've heard that elsewhere. If so the article could use some work. If not, delete.--ZayZayEM 08:30, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- NASA have a Mars lander which will be launched in 2007 called Phoenix. I've done a Google search to make sure that I haven't missed anything about a replacement Shuttle being built, but NASA have always said that they will not be building a replacement for Columbia. The only reason they could build Endeavour to replace Challenger was that they already had some spare parts. You may be thinking of EADS Phoenix which is a proposed European shuttle. Evil Monkey → Talk 08:34, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Ah yes Mars Lander is what I was thinking of, I think. Delete.--ZayZayEM 12:38, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- There is only one option to get another shuttle, that's to refurbish Space Shuttle Enterprise (OV-101) Which was originally supposed to fly instead of Challenger (OV-99) anyways 132.205.45.148 22:09, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Though according to the Space Shuttle Enterprise article, it was shaken pretty much to destruction to see where the weak points were. Would be cheaper to build one from scratch, apart from the fact that from memory it isn't that space worthy, with old avionics, electronics and not that air tight. Evil Monkey → Talk 23:35, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
- I think the article page is wrong, but I come up with sources that say one way and sources that say the other. In any case, Challenger, Columbia and Enterprise were heavily used in testing. The only reason Challenger was refit instead was because it was cheaper to build it into a shuttle, than to open up a completed shuttle and refurbish it. It was the same reason why they built Endeavour. 132.205.45.110 20:36, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Though according to the Space Shuttle Enterprise article, it was shaken pretty much to destruction to see where the weak points were. Would be cheaper to build one from scratch, apart from the fact that from memory it isn't that space worthy, with old avionics, electronics and not that air tight. Evil Monkey → Talk 23:35, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. No hits for "OV-106" on NASA's website. That was a name proposed by Boeing (the name "Phoenix" wasn't mentioned), but it ain't gonna happen. Raven42 09:54, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- NASA have a Mars lander which will be launched in 2007 called Phoenix. I've done a Google search to make sure that I haven't missed anything about a replacement Shuttle being built, but NASA have always said that they will not be building a replacement for Columbia. The only reason they could build Endeavour to replace Challenger was that they already had some spare parts. You may be thinking of EADS Phoenix which is a proposed European shuttle. Evil Monkey → Talk 08:34, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. No mention of this on any of the NASA sites. There are a couple of Google hits that tell a similar story and seem to be some sort of role-playing game, and Phoenix was one of the rejected names for Endeavour. But this article has no useful content as far as I can see, and is the work of an anon with no other contributions. Andrewa 09:16, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I'm sure Phoenix wouldn't even fall into the standard naming categories (ships of exploration, basically); but that aside... Building OV-106 was briefly proposed by Boeing in early 2003, and was probably studied for a few weeks. However, there are no plans to build one, no strategic plan requiring one (the Shuttles are being withdrawn over the next few years - "set to begin in summer 2007" would mean it would have first flight in about 2010 - and they only need a three-orbiter fleet, anyhow)... it's nonsense. It may well be a garbled misunderstanding of the OV-2xx idea (a "moldline-compatible" redesigned Shuttle II), but I don't think even that got much play other than being kicked around in space-policy circles for a bit. Delete. Shimgray 13:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- If there is no evidence of this (i.e. NASA say it is) then would this be a speedy delete as patently incorrect? Average Earthman 16:58, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as possible misinformation. I like the name, though. --Deathphoenix 17:13, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons stated above. If by chance NASA does announce a new shuttle there'll be plenty of opportunity to add an article then. I kinda hope they do go with the Phoenix name, though. 23skidoo 21:28, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as vaporspacecraft (never mind NASA probably won't build another one of those engineering disasters). Wyss 23:15, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)