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May 31: World No Tobacco Day

Bessarion

455 – Petronius Maximus, ruler of the Western Roman Empire, was stoned to death by a mob as he fled Rome ahead of the arrival of a Vandal force that sacked the city.
1223 – Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus': Mongol forces defeated a Kievan Rus' army at the Kalka River in present-day Ukraine.
1468 – Cardinal Bessarion (pictured) announced his donation of 746 Greek and Latin codices to the Republic of Venice, forming the Biblioteca Marciana.
1935 – An earthquake registering 7.7 M_w struck Balochistan in British India, now part of Pakistan, killing between 30,000 and 60,000 people.
2013 – A tornado struck Central Oklahoma, killing 8 people and injuring more than 150.

Albertino Mussato (d. 1329)
Joseph Grimaldi (d. 1837)
Dina Boluarte (b. 1962)
Mbaye Diagne (d. 1994)

More anniversaries:

Ramesses II

"1279 BC - Ramesses II becomes Pharaoh of Egypt."

So... how was this determined, pray tell? Even the year is debated. 31 May seems rather unusually precise.

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 17:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, same with Genghis Khan. Not sure how's his birth is attributed to May 31 when there's no mention of that on his article, and the year is even contested. Thiseye (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Give Peace a Chance

On the Give Peace a Chance page, it states that the song was recorded on June 1st and not May 31st as listed here. CWPappas 04:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2002 date?

Does the death of one person in one storm that destroyed one building make a significant enough impact on history to be considered an important "this day in history"? I suggest deleting this entry, or putting it only in the discussion age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.15.127.254 (talk) 20:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gaza flotilla clash

Mufka; you are probably right. Only time will tell if this event is notable enough for an almanac entry. It's mentioned in wikinews which may be enough. At any rate this one will probably attract the partisan editors.--Phyllis1753 (talk) 14:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, unless this event leads directly to notably escalated tensions (a war), it shouldn't be included. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 10:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not experienced at editing and I am not sure how to handle the inclusion of propaganda in otherwise factual accounts. I removed an unsubstantiated allegation that the peace activists on the flotilla were terrorists armed with knives and metal rods and after an Israeli commando had been abducted. This is clearly the version put out by the Israeli government but it is not supported by eye witnesses accounts of the activists or even logic. It is my understanding that this entry was seen by Bsadowski1 whose user page identifies him as a Wikipedia Administrator who combats "vandalism and abuse" on Wikipedia and I want it understood that my removal of Israeli propaganda should not be represented as either vandalism or abuse. OrodesIII (talk) 05:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)OrodesIII[reply]

Whoever removed this entry ought to explain their reason as a courtesy to the rest of us. OrodesIII (talk) 21:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)OrodesIII[reply]

Since Rlbarton did not provide an explanation for removing this entry, I restored it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrodesIII (talk • contribs) 03:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Accession date of Ramesses II

Currently, the "events" section leads with:

1279 BC – Ramesses II (The Great) (19th dynasty) becomes pharaoh of Ancient Egypt.

As of yesterday, I removed that item, since it was unsourced and struck me as highly dubious (even if we know his accession date in the Egyptian calendar, it strikes me as very iffy to say that it corresponds with a precise day in our modern Gregorian calendar, which didn't exist in any form at the time).

User:Baking Soda reverted that link, and added a source--but the source strikes me as highly dubious: http://www.crystalinks.com/Ramesses_II.html ; crystalinks.com is basically a new-age blog, and the Ramesses II page is copied from an old version of the Wikipedia article Ramesses II. (Our page hasn't included the May 31 date for a couple of years.)

I raised this on User Talk:Baking Soda; they responded that the accession date in the ancient Egyptian calendar is well-established (III Shemu 27) and asserted that this corresponds to "May 31/June 1". I don't want to get into an edit war here, but I think we need a reliable source both for the accession date, and for how we map the Egyptian calendar to our Gregorian dates. So I'm marking the fact/cite as "dubious" and I'm hoping others will weigh in? — Narsil (talk) 23:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to June 1 with two more reliable sources. (^[1]^[2]) Baking Soda (talk) 23:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gertoux, Gerard. Moses and the Exodus Chronological, Historical and Archaeological Evidence. Lulu.com. p. 175. ISBN 9781329445253.
^ Gertoux, Gérard (11 September 2013). "Dating the fall of Babylon and Ur thanks to Astronomical Events". p. 64. arXiv:1309.2758.

Those sources look better, but still pretty iffy--both are self-published, it looks like. And like I said, it strikes me as pretty dubious in the first place to say "this date in the ancient Egyptian calendar matches precisely to this date in a calendar that wouldn't exist for centuries". Still, if nobody else weighs in, I'll drop it. — Narsil (talk) 23:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree sources are not authoritative, perhaps a footnote pointing out that accession is on "III Shemu 27" Egyptian calendar (probably sourced from Papyrus/Graffito (archaeology)) and that Gregorian calendar date is an approximation. Info should also be added to Ramesses II, added pointer to this discussion on talk page there... Baking Soda (talk) 23:45, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Petronilla piped as Petronella

Petronella is listed as a form of the name; is there a reason it is preferred over Petronilla or the other forms?--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

suggested add. Holidays and observances: Crescentian

Crescentian on this day, as per ref in article, and http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/roman-martrylogy-in-english/roman-martyrology-may-in-english.htm#May_31st --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:17, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

suggested add. Cantius, Cantianus, and Cantianilla

Cantius, Cantianus, and Cantianilla fest. this day, ref as in article and http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/roman-martrylogy-in-english/roman-martyrology-may-in-english.htm#May_31st --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:19, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

suggested add. Saint Hermias

Saint Hermias on this day as per article, and http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/roman-martrylogy-in-english/roman-martyrology-may-in-english.htm#May_31st --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:23, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pentecost Sunday

Pentecost Sunday is on this date in 2020, it should be added under holidays and observances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supevan (talk • contribs) 20:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Gertoux, Gerard. Moses and the Exodus Chronological, Historical and Archaeological Evidence. Lulu.com. p. 175. ISBN 9781329445253.

[2] Gertoux, Gérard (11 September 2013). "Dating the fall of Babylon and Ur thanks to Astronomical Events". p. 64. arXiv:1309.2758.

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