Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virtual Commonwealth of Cyberia
This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Voting is now closed. The consensus is to delete. -- 
Earl Andrew - talk 20:08, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Non notable micronation. Move to MicroWiki. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. --Spinboy 22:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete all micronations. RickK 23:56, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
- I've lost interest in defending the lesser micronations from deletion. But as a compulsive nitpicker, I have to point out that one or two micronations are actually notable. Sealand for example. ---Isaac R 00:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, Sealand is a notable micronation indeed. --
Earl Andrew - talk 00:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I don't consider Sealand a micronation, since it has a phyisical presence. RickK 21:38, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
- A micronation can certainly have a physical presence. In fact, many if not most do. That's not we are debating here. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:17, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware that we were debating anything. RickK 22:58, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
- We're debating whether or not to keep this article, and why. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- You and I aren't debating that point, we're in agreement. RickK, posting from another account 66.60.159.190 16:03, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- We're debating whether or not to keep this article, and why. --
- I wasn't aware that we were debating anything. RickK 22:58, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
- A micronation can certainly have a physical presence. In fact, many if not most do. That's not we are debating here. --
- I don't consider Sealand a micronation, since it has a phyisical presence. RickK 21:38, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, Sealand is a notable micronation indeed. --
- I've lost interest in defending the lesser micronations from deletion. But as a compulsive nitpicker, I have to point out that one or two micronations are actually notable. Sealand for example. ---Isaac R 00:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a notable micro. -- 8^D gab 00:20, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
- Delete this one since it is not a micro-nation that deserves an article in Wikipedia. Zscout370 01:54, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable. Megan1967 05:45, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. — Trilobite (Talk) 09:58, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Sealand is notable because it has a large tower in the sea and has been notable enough to spawn the odd news article which isn't of the 'send the rookie journalist to interview a loony' type. This one isn't notable at all. Average Earthman 10:56, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
KEEP- O f course we should keep this article, I mean does it hurt Wikipeida? (unsigned from 24.181.239.120)
- Delete, but a pretty weak one. They actually seem to have a lot going on, judging from some of the web activity I've Googled. (They actually seem to be locked in some kind of virtual civil war!) I'd vote to keep the article if it contained anything of actual interest. But as long as their activities remain mysterious to outsiders, they ain't notable. ---Isaac R
- The article used to include information that made Cyberia's activities unmysterious. That information was deleted by an admin on grounds that it did not reflect a "neutral point of view." The "virtual civil war" is well-known to the entire community at Micronations.Net. It's not really a civil war, per se. It's more that some other guy keeps putting up websites claiming to be Cyberia's legitimate web presence. (unsigned, by 66.130.8.96)
- Delete, not notable. --Dcfleck 23:06, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)
- Delete all micronations. None of them are notable. Master Thief Garrett 01:23, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. I've actually learned a lot of things about this micronation lately, and I have to doubt all the "loonies" we have right here when their judgments call for getting all micronations deleted. What about Sealand? What about Talossa? Wiwaxia 00:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think looniehood is the issue. We can judge an organization's notability without passing judgment on its self-justification. So we can decide that Sealand is notable, but that some other micronations aren't. ---Isaac R 00:49, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Micronations will stay mysterious while Wikipedia does not describe them. The article used to be more informative before Gene Poole of Atlantium decided to add to the mystery by cutting much of the article. I see that no-one's proposing the deletion of the Atlantium article. If micronations are generally not notable, then surely that rule has general application?---Alan 06:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. This micronation is no more intresting or legitamite than any other micronation, and there has to be a general rule enforced, either to delete all micronations viligante-style, or let them be. Honestly I think Wikipedia is used by many people to explain intresting Internet phenomena, and having the many micronations explained gives us this service to people. If we don't seperate ourselves as a complete source for all things, then how are we the best encyclopedia on the Internet? Jan Bei
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